Misty [00:00:06] Hey, everybody. Welcome to our Common Ground podcast. It’s been a while since we’ve done one of these, but we’re glad to be back. I’m Misty Orpin, our executive director.
Jim [00:00:14] And I’m Jim Hendren, the chairman of the board of Common Ground Arkansas. It’s good to be back.
Misty [00:00:18] And we want to talk a little bit today about the Senate District 7 special primary election that happened on Tuesday of this week.
Jim [00:00:27] Yeah, a lot of interest in the election. We had obviously one well-known candidate, some unknowns, and then we had a primary on both sides. Unfortunately, the turnout didn’t kind of reflect the interest in the race. It was pretty low, which is not unusual for a special election. You’re the data person. What did the turnout look like to you?
Misty [00:00:44] Yeah, I mean, I thought it was pretty low. So usually in a special election, kind of your benchmark is you can expect 10 to 15 percent turnout. And so we were looking at for this one, there were 3,830 votes cast out of 45,000 registered voters. So around 8.5 percent turnout on this primary.
Jim [00:01:04] That’s pretty shocking when you think about it, that potentially choosing the Senator– now, this is obviously just to complete Senator Eads’ unexpired term, so till the end of next year. But as we all know, many times that’s just the beginning of the front end of somebody becoming an incumbent and being there much longer. So it’s always kind of disheartening to see so few voters make such big decisions that have such lasting impact.
Misty [00:01:27] Right? 3,800 voters deciding 90,000 voters’ future.
Jim [00:01:32] Well, really less than that. When you look at the winner ended up with just not even 1,400 votes. So you’re talking about, yeah, 1,400 or 1,500 people, their choice is going to be the will and be accepted by the other 89,000 people in that district.
Misty [00:01:48] Well, we’re going to talk more about turnout in just a minute, but let’s go ahead and go over the results of the election. So we’ll start with the Democratic side. So the winner on the Democratic primary was Lisa Parks with 722 votes. And her opponent was Derek Van Voast two got 136 votes, so she got 84 percent of the vote in the Democratic primary so she won outright. On the Republican side, there’s going to be a runoff. The top two vote getters were Colby Fulfer with 1,387 votes and Steve Unger with 941 votes. The other two people in that race were Jim Bob Duggar, who got 456 votes, and Edge Nowlin, who got 188 votes. A candidate has to get, in a primary, 50 percent of the vote in order to win outright, or it has to go to a runoff. Colby Fulfer got 47 percent of the vote and Steve Unger got 32 percent of the vote. So those two will go to the runoff and that’s on January the 11th. And Jim Bob Duggar just got 15 percent of the vote.
Jim [00:02:50] Yeah, I think that was the surprise. A lot of people didn’t know how this would play out. Jim Bob’s been in politics forever. I served in the House with him way back in the late 90s, and of course, his family’s got national attention, both good and bad over the last years. And we all know his son’s been in the media with the trial here this last month or so. But still in a Republican primary in a special election, I think many people, including myself, were surprised that the performance was that poor for Jim Bob Duggar considering the money that he spent in the name ID that he had. But I do think it shows that, you know, the voters are getting weary of some things and are ready to try a different direction, which, I think, speaks well to the Springdale area. The voters looked at the new candidates. And it was also interesting to see newcomer Colby Fulfer nearly win it without a runoff, which is very unusual in a four-person race when one of them has name ID. So he performed incredibly well for somebody that’s not run for a legislative race before. And also the same for Mr. Unger, who’s never run for office before and ends up getting almost a thousand votes and 32 percent. I think they both need to be commended for performing well.
Misty [00:04:02] You know, Colby has some name ID because he is the chief of staff for the mayor, and he was a City Council member in Springdale. So he’s been elected in Springdale before, where Steve Unger has not. So I was really impressed with the number of votes that he pulled out in this race. I think you and I had, we’d both bet that Colby would be in a runoff for the win in January, but neither one of us predicted that Steve Unger would be in that. So real quick, I want to look at just how the ballots shook up from a party perspective. 22 percent of the ballots were pulled by Democrats and 78 percent of the ballots were pulled by Republicans. And we’ll look a little bit later about how that jives with like the Trump vote for the district and other things like that, but you can see that there were way more Republican voters in this race than there were Democratic voters.
Jim [00:04:52] Yeah, even more so than I think the data that we’ve looked at showed. And I think again, we can talk about some of the potential reasons for that. But I think everybody expected it to be a little bit closer with regard to turnout than almost over three to one, 78 percent to 22 percent. I think most of us would assume that the Democratic turnout would have been closer to 35 or 40 percent.
Misty [00:05:13] Yeah, I mean, that’s traditionally, if you just have like a no name Democrat and Republican on the ballot in Arkansas at the state level, at least you can expect the Democrat to get around, like you said, 33, 35 percent of the vote and they clearly didn’t get there in this race. But just so that you guys can mark your calendars if you happen to live in that district, which I do, the runoff is going to be January 11th. And again, that’s only in the Republican primary.
Jim [00:06:01] Well, and it’s important to know, again, because in that Republican runoff basically, especially when you look at the turnout between Republicans and Democrats in that district, there’s a good chance on January 11th the voters that turn out are going to decide who their senator is going to be. I don’t want to discount the Democrat completely, but again, the math is the math. And unless there’s a dramatic change between now and February– because normally a runoff election will have less turnout than even the special election. So you could have less than a thousand people deciding who the senator is going to be for potentially the next four or five years.
Misty [00:06:33] Whoever wins in January will probably win by just a few hundred votes.
Jim [00:06:37] That’s right. I mean, think about a few hundred votes. Most of us know that many people. You drag several carloads of folks to the polls and you could be having an impact that lasts four or five years. It’s going to be a race that’s all about turnout and getting your people to the polls. And again, this is just the runoff. So there be the– when is the general election? Is it February?
Misty [00:06:56] Yeah, February the 8th. Let’s talk a little bit about why I think the turnout was so low, and that goes to the point of, I think a lot of people cared about this race. I don’t think we made it easy for people to vote in this election. There was, you know, your standard week of early voting that always happens in an election. But it was– that only happened in one location and that was at the Washington County Courthouse in downtown Fayetteville. Well, most of this district is at least a 30 minute drive away from that courthouse each way. So you’re going to have to give up an hour of your day just to go to the courthouse and then probably another 15, 20 minutes that you’re going to spend in there voting. So it was kind of a time commitment to early vote this time. There was no early voting in Springdale or in Goshen or in Elkins. And then also, you know, it’s Christmas time. People may not be thinking about this very much. It’s just kind of a weird time of year to have an election in the first place. So I think those two things combined may have diluted the turnout a little bit. Most people voted at the polls on Election Day. And you know, if you look at the numbers of people who early voted versus that number of people who voted on Election Day in this election, it was 10 percent people early voted. And if you think of what we were seeing, you know, in the last general election, it’s like 50 percent. You know, about half the people were early voting. And so that clearly was an issue here, I think, in suppressing turnout. Not intentionally, but that’s just the way it shook out.
Jim [00:08:18] Yeah, I agree. I mean, I’m old enough to remember when we didn’t have early voting, and it’s been such a wonderful thing to be able to have more flexibility on time to go vote. But even here, at least for several years, it was just, you had to go to Bentonville, had to drive 30 minutes to go vote in the courthouse. Now we’ve changed that some. But I do think that the opportunity and ease of voting, the more we can do to make it easier for people to vote because people are busy, they’re working hard, they’ve got COVID and all these other things to deal with, and as you said, it’s in the middle of the holidays. One other thing I’ve thought about on turnout in this election is, particularly when you look at the poor showing of Duggar, it almost makes you wonder if many people potentially came to vote against him versus for somebody else, which means that turnout might have been worse were there not a well-known candidate on the ballot. And so again, special elections are hard. Everybody always knows that. But we’re talking about less votes than are cast in many school board races determining who the Senator is going to be for quite a while.
Misty [00:09:18] I would like to point out too, I don’t know– when I talk about how there wasn’t a lot of voting locations in this for early voting, I understand why there wasn’t. One of the major problems that we have is poll workers, right? It can be really hard to get poll workers to either volunteer to come out and work in the week during the holidays for a solid week to have additional voting locations. So I mean, it’s a whole kind of system problem and it’s not any one thing. And I don’t think that it was intentional, but that’s just a challenge that we have in our system that hopefully we can overcome and start to address. So I will say, if you want to be a poll worker, the Washington County Election Commission is always looking for poll workers. Or if you live in a different county, your county is looking for poll workers. So make that a volunteer project if you have the time for that.
Jim [00:10:06] Yeah. And let me also add, I used to really enjoy going to vote in our local community because many of the poll workers had been there year after year after year continuing to volunteer. And we many times take that for granted, that most of them are not getting paid or getting paid very little. And they have long days and sometimes they take abuse from people that they don’t deserve. I do appreciate all the volunteers and the Election Commission folks. You know, and we always have a lot of talk about election fraud and election integrity. I think it’s great that by nine o’clock, we had confidence in the results of an election of almost 4.000 people. And I’m glad we don’t have stop the steal rallies and people questioning what’s going on. So the election folks in Arkansas, they’ve worked hard. We put new voting equipment in to make it faster and easier for people, and there’s a lot of people doing good work. But still, we’ve got to get our number of people participating higher, I think, to make democracy do better.
Misty [00:10:59] I agree. I mean, in the year of our Lord 2021, with all the technology that we have and all the resources that we have, I feel like we can do this, y’all. We can have smooth and efficient elections. So, you know, you said that you thought maybe Duggar being in the race might have to a certain degree depressed turnout. Did I understand you right?
Jim [00:11:17] No, I think it might have actually increased turnout in the sense that I think many people were coming to vote against him and looking for one of the other two or three Republican candidates. Or even some Democrats may have voted in the Republican primary to vote against Duggar because they feel strongly about what’s happened, you know, with his family and some of the things that have been tied up in court. I do think that probably increased the number of turnout, but not necessarily in the way that normally happens when you have a well known candidate.
Misty [00:11:45] Well, darn it. I thought you said the other thing and I thought I was going to get to argue with you. But look, we have common ground on it. We agree.
Jim [00:11:52] Well, I appreciate the fact that you recognize that I was correct.
Misty [00:11:56] That we were both correct.
Jim [00:11:56] That’s right.
Misty [00:11:57] Well, let’s look a little bit at the winners on the Republican side. Again, the number one takeaway for me was just how poorly Jim Bob Duggar did. He spent a fair amount of money on this race. There were some people that came out against him on Facebook yesterday or on Monday, actually the day before the election or the day of the election. Do you think that hurt him?
Jim [00:12:17] I mean, all of it has an impact. But clearly being in the newspaper in a negative way with the issues with his son’s trial have, I think, was probably the biggest driving factor in that. There’s no question that all those things had an impact.
Misty [00:12:31] I keep thinking, you know, this was a repudiation of Jim Bob Duggar. Does that mean that it was a repudiation of maybe those extremist type politics? But I think maybe it was more repudiation of child porn and molestation. But I think that clearly had an impact.
Jim [00:12:47] Oh, for sure. And you have to be so careful about trying to read things into special elections, especially because the turnout is so low. Issues like this that get of a lot of attention have an exaggerated impact than they might in a general election. So I don’t think we can say that this was a repudiation of extreme politics as much as maybe I would like to hope so. I do think it was a– it just speaks well for the voters of Springdale that they decided we’re going to demand a little bit more from some of our elected legislators. We want less controversy. We want people who will focus on the problems and they look somewhere else.
Misty [00:13:19] Well, and I mean, that’s kind of carrying on the tradition of Lance Eads too, right? Lance is a very kind of pro-business pro progress Republican legislator. And so I think they were looking for another Lance Eads type candidate.
Jim [00:13:32] I agree. And you know, Springdale has got a reputation for electing those type of legislators historically, so it’s not surprising that they would be. And in fact, I guess it was Megan that beat Jim Bob’s son here when she ran for the house.
Misty [00:13:45] Last year.
Jim [00:13:45] So this isn’t the first time that the district or that area has said that we’re going to look a different direction.
Misty [00:13:51] I did want to point out just how much, you know, how much people spent on this race. And if we’re going to talk about Duggar, I mean, clearly he spent the most money on the race. He gave himself a loan of $25,000 and he raised an additional $34,000. He spent $37,000, though we know that there are things that he spent money on that were not on his expense report. So it will probably end up being that he spent quite a bit more than $37,000. And if you want to compare that to Colby Fulfer, who was the highest vote getter, he spent $25,000, so about $12,000 less than Duggar. Though I also think Colby probably has some things coming on his expense report, his final expense reports, that aren’t listed on there. And Colby gave himself a loan from Wilkins Homes for $20,000, and he raised $16,000. Now Steve Unger, who’s also going to be in the runoff, he loaned himself $10,000, raised another $10,000 and spent $18,000. So of the people who made the runoff, Steve Unger spent less overall. And then Nowlin loaned himself $20,000, didn’t raise a dime, and spent $11,000. And that’s kind of reflected in, you know, his vote total as well.
Jim [00:15:01] Yeah, that’s about the kind of numbers you would expect for a Senate special election race, I think. Because it’s compressed into about a month’s time, it’s not nearly as expensive as the race that will be beginning here shortly for the next term. I do think that again, it shows that it’s not just about dollars because the guy that spent the most didn’t even make the runoff.
Misty [00:15:22] Yeah, multiple billboards. I think I tweeted yesterday, If signs could vote, Duggar would win in a landslide. Because I mean, my neighborhood, Springdale was just blanketed in Duggar signs. And Colby Fulfer actually didn’t put out his signs until just a couple of days before the election. Duggar, I know, did multiple mailers to people’s homes. I think Colby Fulfer did one. I know Steve Unger did one. I don’t know if the other candidate did mailers.
Jim [00:15:47] Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see when all the financial reports are done exactly how it shook out.
Misty [00:15:51] So sticking with the money for just a minute longer. I thought it was interesting, if we look at the amount per vote that the candidates spent .
Jim [00:15:58] There you go with your data stuff.
Misty [00:15:59] I know. I like stuff like that. And again, Fulfer and Duggar, their amount per vote is probably actually higher than this, but we just don’t have the final numbers. But for the Republican side, Fulfer spent $18.45 per vote. Unger spent $19.58 per vote. Duggar spent $82.53, and Nowland spent $58.42. So I mean, Duggar outspent the top two by more than triple per vote.
Jim [00:16:30] Yeah. And again, this race is an anomaly because of the baggage that was, you know, that Duggar was trying to carry. So I don’t think again, you can always say that. But when you look at the top two there, their dollars per vote are pretty similar. And I think that does say that whichever one of them can raise enough money to keep that pace up until January the 11th is going to have an advantage. Because again, this is going to be about somebody finding their thousand people probably and getting them to the polls.
Misty [00:16:56] I mean, it’s going to be hard to campaign, too, because it’s the holidays. I mean, they’re basically going to have a couple of dead weeks, where nobody’s really going to be interested in that and then have to really hit the pavement hard in early January.
Jim [00:17:08] And again to try to get people to remember after next year, after the New Years and the Christmas holiday, that we’ve got to go back and vote again. I expect you’ll see an even lower turnout vote, unfortunately, and that’s going to play to somebody’s advantage, whoever’s the best at getting their people to the polls and helping them remember to go vote.
Misty [00:17:26] Before we get onto the Democratic side, I want to talk a little bit more– you mentioned it– about the potential for crossover voters, Democratic crossover voters into the Republican primary. So if you look at how this district performed in 2020 in the Trump-Biden race, so this district was 57 percent pro-Trump in 2020. So 57 percent of the voters in this district voted for Trump. Yet the Republicans got 78 percent of the ballots, right? So that’s almost a 20 percent discrepancy in the number of people that you would think would be Republicans because they voted for Trump in this district and the number of people that pulled Republican ballots. So I think there had to have been some crossover voters from Democrats voting against Jim Bob Duggar.
Jim [00:18:09] I think that’s part of it. I also think the fact that you had three, if not four, motivated and fairly well-financed Republican candidates all trying to bring their people to the polls. So certainly, Jim Bob brought his 15 percent and, you know, Unger brought his and Fulfer brought his. So you had more people out there trying to get their people to one side than you did really, just on the Democratic side. I think people pretty well, you know, considered that a done deal and that Lisa Parks was going to be the nominee. So that contributes. But I also agree there’s something happening when you have that much of a higher percentage than you did Trump vote. Because I can assure you there weren’t a lot of Republicans not voting for Trump in that district in the last election. So where’d the other 20 percent or so come from? Either from crossover or just by virtue of the fact that they had four candidates versus two.
Misty [00:18:58] Yeah. I think that’s a fair point. I mean, we talk about, you know, Republicans up in 70s, high 70s, 78. I mean, that’s your district.
Jim [00:19:06] Yeah, right? Yeah, it is.
Misty [00:19:08] And that’s not necessarily this one.
Jim [00:19:10] I don’t think you’ll see that in the February general election. I don’t– I could be wrong. And that’s what’s going to be interesting to see is what does it look like when you’ve got one v one Republican versus Democrat in that district? Will it go back to a more 58-48, 42, whatever split? Or will it continue to be two or three to one Republican?
Misty [00:19:33] Well, and that’s the beauty of special elections is they’re so weird, right? Like if a Democrat is going to win this district in the foreseeable future, this is their best chance to do it because it does come down to just getting your people out to the polls. And Democrats come with a pretty significant disadvantage in this district, just from a numbers perspective. And so I think I mean, they’re smart to take their shot in this race.
Jim [00:19:58] 100 percent because, again, you have a lot smaller pool to choose from, but still, if you get 75 percent of your people to come to the polls and the Republicans get 40 percent of their people to come to the polls in this low turnout of an election, you can win. So there is a path for a surprise in this district because it’s so low turnout in a special election. If you can, if you can go find any candidate, Republican or Democrat, 1,500 votes, they’re likely going to win.
Misty [00:20:25] I mean, will they hold it in 2022? Probably not.
Jim [00:20:27] That’s, that’s a good question. And yeah, the Democrats have got a chance if they could get 2,000 people to the polls, they could win that seat. So that is a shot that they don’t normally have because of the turnout potential disparity. We’ll see if they take advantage of it or not.
Misty [00:20:41] So on the Democratic side, Lisa Parks, won that with, I think it was 84 percent of the vote. Though her opponent, Derek Van Voast, you know, he didn’t raise any money. He had some known legal issues and he wasn’t even in town for a significant part of the election cycle toward the end. So I don’t know. How do you feel about her victory?
Jim [00:21:04] If you’re going to have an opponent– everyone likes to not have an opponent, but if you’re going to have one, Lisa had one that is the best possible scenario. It gives you the opportunity to raise money, to get your name out, to practice campaigning in really a low threat environment. So I don’t think anybody was surprised by the turnout that Lisa performed well. She’s a good candidate. She had the support of the powers that be in the Democratic Party there in her district, and she worked hard. So I think the fact that she had a weak opponent, as some of us have had in the past, doesn’t change the fact that she performed well. Again, as I’ve said earlier, the thing that would concern me more is, why was the turnout so overwhelmingly– the energy, the excitement, the turnout in the vote in the Republican side versus the Democratic side. 22 percent is a long way from the 40 percent or so that Biden got against Trump. And so where are the Democrats in that district and why didn’t they come vote in that primary is the question that I think is unanswered.
Misty [00:21:59] Yeah, I mean, that’s a great question, because she seemed to have raised money pretty well. She raised $27,000, which as I’m looking back at all these other candidates, you know, she raised more money than anybody except Duggar. She didn’t loan herself any money. She was the only candidate in the race apart from Derek Van Voast– who didn’t raise or spend any money– she was the only candidate who didn’t loan herself any money, and she did well on the fundraising side. But yeah, that didn’t translate into people actually coming out to vote for her. She spent $12,000, which was less than any of the Republican candidates, except Nowlin. So she spent less than other folks as well, which is why her dollars per vote is pretty low to0. She spent $16.73 per vote, which was the lowest of anyone in the race, again, except for her opponent, who didn’t spend anything.
Jim [00:22:51] Yeah, it’ll be a different dynamic. She’ll have the rest of this time to focus on raising money. She doesn’t have to worry with a runoff, so she’s got that opportunity that the other candidates are going to have to continue to spend money. Again, it’s just going to be about whether or not you can somehow change the math on who’s coming to vote in February.
Misty [00:23:10] All right. So let’s look beyond February for a second and let’s look at ’22 because, as you mentioned, whoever wins this race only holds it through the end of the year, and they will have to turn around– whoever wins, the incumbent as they will be, will have to turn around and refile at the end of February to run for that same position again. And if there’s a primary, then they’re in a primary in May. So they’d win an election in February, refile for that position in February, have a primary in May and then a general in November.
Jim [00:23:40] Right. And potentially runoffs in those elections as well, depending on how many people file. So you really do have a time where it’s going to seem in Springdale like you’re going to vote every month for who’s going to be your next state senator because of the number of elections that are coming up. But yeah, those will be an entirely different dynamic. And I feel for the people in this race because it’s bad enough to have to run every two or four years, but you’re basically finishing one election and rolling right into another, asking people for money again for a new election cycle and now potentially having different opponents, different dynamic altogether. So the Springdale folks are going to be getting a lot of mail pieces and seeing a lot of yard signs over the next few months.
Misty [00:24:16] Well, and like you said, you’re having to go out and ask people for money again for that district. And the thing is the district has changed significantly. So the district that they’re running in right now is going to geographically look quite a bit different in the next cycle, so for the district that they’re going to be running for next year. If you look at the district as it is now and the district as it’s going to be, Springdale will still be the highest city. But right now it includes Johnson and Tontitown and parts of Fayetteville and Elkins and Goshen. But in the future, it’s not going to have Elkins and Goshen. It’s going to kind of tighten up around Springdale and retain some of Johnson and Tontitown and Elm Springs, right? So it’s going to just tighten up and lose that more rural part of it. So the number of Democrats will drop slightly, but it’s still going to be more than two to one Republicans to Democrats in the 2022 district.
Jim [00:25:08] Yeah, again, the general election is going to be an entirely different dynamic because there’ll be so many more voters. Instead of having to have 1,400 votes to win, you’re going to need 15,000 votes to win. So it’s going to be more expensive. It’s going to be a longer period of time. People in Springdale, I think, in that district are going to begin to get tired of all the campaign and endless mail pieces and yard signs because it’s just going to be an election year for that Senate because of the way this seat and these special elections are rolling together. Right now, there are far more Republicans going to vote in that district than there are Democrats. You can either change that with turnout or you’ve got to change people’s party affiliation or register new voters. There’s just not a lot of other ways to make the math work.
Misty [00:25:50] One thing that, when you talk about changing the way the electorate looks, though, it is a young district. It is younger than most of the districts in the state or the state average. So they have about 5 percent more millennials than in other parts of the state, fewer baby boomers and a significant number more Gen Z voters than there are in other parts of the state. So I think that there is an opportunity for maybe a younger generation or a shift in people that are already registered to vote. Maybe those people just aren’t coming out to vote. Because this is one of the lower voting turnout areas when you look at– just Springdale in general tends to have very low voter turnout.
Jim [00:26:30] Yeah, I guess I’m somewhat skeptical still about– I’ve heard from Bernie Sanders for the last 10 years prior to that, somebody is going to come mobilize the Gen Z voters or the younger voters, and they just never turn out. And if there were an opportunity for them to want to have their voice heard, it’s in this special election. I mean, think about it. If 500 students decided they were going to be a voting bloc, they could call the shots. But mobilizing that to actually happen is a lot harder than talking about it in theoretical terms. So we’ll see how it shakes out. Again, to me, the thing that’s still the most compelling, the most difficult challenge for anybody beating the Republican nominee in that district is you’ve got to either get a lot of higher percentage turnout than the Republicans are getting, which means there’s a lot more excitement about your candidate for some reason or disenchantment with the other candidate, or you’ve got to find new voters. And that’s not easy.
Misty [00:27:25] All right. So thinking about Common Ground more broadly, if you want to know more about this election or if you want to know who’s running for what in other parts of the state, we’ve got a cool page on our website, commongroundar.org. You go there and we have a section called Who’s Running. You can either look at it in a list format or you can look at it in a map format and it will tell you who has announced for what races from the governor’s race on down to your local House member.
Jim [00:27:51] Yeah. And I want to thank Misty for the work she’s put into being the best source for data on Arkansas politics that you’re going to find on that website. So it’s not just for Northwest Arkansas. If you want to know what’s going on in Senate races in South Arkansas or Central Arkansas or House races up here, what the lines look like now versus what they were, you’ve spent hours and hours and days and days putting all that stuff there to make it available for people. And it’s really becoming the source. I can tell you a lot of my colleagues and a lot of people in the Little Rock political scene are beginning to realize that if they have questions about what’s going on in Arkansas politics, that the work that you’ve done on that website is the place to go.
Misty [00:28:29] Well, thanks. It’s fun. I enjoy it. And if anybody out there sees anything wrong with that, you see anything that’s incorrect on that website or if I just missed a candidate that has announced in your area, which is quite possible that I have, you can email us at email@example.com and we will get that added on there. All right. Well, thanks very much for listening. We’ll try not to make it as long before we do this again next time.
Jim [00:28:53] Well, we’ve been busy, a lot of exciting things coming down the pike in 2022. But yeah, we’ll try to do this a bit more frequently.