House State Agencies

Jan. 18, 2023 

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Rep Tosh: This meeting is called to order. For those of you in attendance, if you’re here to speak for or against one of the bills on the day’s agenda, there’s a sign-up sheet just outside the door. Be sure to sign up. Let us know which bill it is you’re here to speak for or against. Also, committee members, our committee photo, right now we have it scheduled for next Wednesday at 10:00 AM right here in this committee room. That will be January 25 and if for some reason that changes, Carly will send out an email and let you know. And if we have to change that, we’ll just move it to the following Wednesday, which will be February 1. For those of you in attendance, if you’re here for a certain bill, just to go ahead and make you aware that Representative Collins has called and his House Bill 1099 will not be heard today. We will have that on the agenda for next week and it will be heard at that time. So at this time, that any further questions from anyone on the committee, or let’s go ahead and get started with the agenda. So first up is Representative Fortner and we will hear House Bill 1023. Representative Fortner, you are recognized to present your bill.


Rep Fortner: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Jack Fortner.


Rep Painter: Representative Stetson Painter, District 3.

HB 1023: Requiring flags purchased by the state be made in the US (passed)

Rep Fortner: I appreciate your indulgence. I wasn’t able to be here last week, but this is an easy bill. It is a good bill. It’s something that we should probably should have done sooner. All it says literally is that if taxpayer funds are spent on the purchase of flags in the state of Arkansas, they must be made in the United States. And that is simply what it does. And I’ll take any questions.


Rep Tosh: Any question from committee members? Representative Gonzalez, you’re recognized for a question.


Rep Gonzales: Thanks, Mr. Chair. Do you know where our flags that we currently give out to our constituents are made?


Rep Fortner: In the United States.


Rep Gonzales: Okay, thank you.


Rep Fortner: Yeah. Yeah, I checked. If you look in that box, there’s a little tag on each and every one of them has a little American flag and it says, “Proudly made in the United States.”


Rep Gonzales: That’s good news. Thank you very much.


Rep Tosh: Any further questions from committee members?


Rep Fortner: And I have one comment, Mr. Chairman.


Rep Tosh: You want to do that during closing?


Rep Fortner: I’ll do it anytime you want.


Rep Tosh: Okay. Well go ahead and make your comment.


Rep Fortner: I don’t have a flag business.


Rep Tosh: Okay. Seeing no one has signed up, speak for or against the bill, no further questions from committee members. Representative Fortner, are you ready to close your bill?


Rep Fortner: I am.


Rep Tosh: Representative Fortner has closed with the bill. Representative Gonzalez, we have a motion of do pass. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. All opposed say no. Congratulations Representative Fortner. Your bill is passed.


Rep Fortner: Thank you, Chairman and committee members.


Rep Tosh: Thank you. Next up on today’s agenda, Representative Rye. I think Representative Rye has decided to put his bill in interim study, but he is going to make a brief comment and in regards to that. Representative Rye, would you just, you’re recognized, explain that the committee what your intentions are with House Bill 1039 and why you’re putting it in the interim study.

HB 1039: Daylight Saving Time (Rye’s version, sent to interim study)

Rep Rye: Thank you, Chairman Tosh. This is two times that I’ve worked on this bill two sessions. I got a little closer I thought this time than it was last. But I spoke with Congressman Crawford yesterday and he was telling me the situation in Washington D.C. for this to take place and to become law that it would, in his words, it would come through– it would come through the federal government. So I asked him what the bill was and the situation with that bill, and he said, Well, Johnny, basically, it’s been voted on in the Senate and it passed. But it’s going to have to go through again because time has lapsed. So it’s going to have to be redone. And this is what he told me. He said, basically, the situation at this present time that if something like this did pass and you had to include the states around you, which would be very, very important like Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and so forth, Tennessee, what you would have to do in a situation like that is make sure that you’re lined up with the states around you. And he said that anything in the state of Illinois and anything in the state of Missouri, if it used this Daylight Saving Time schedule that what you were actually seeing is in the curvature of the earth, the sun shines less in northern Missouri, in northern Illinois. So those children in those areas, if it was put on the same frame as what we would be, it would be 9:30 in the morning for those children actually got to school. So basically, I pulled this bill down, Representative Tosh, and we’re putting it in interim study and I hope that if something happens– I hope the very best for Representative Scott– but if something happens, we’re going to study this out between now and next time. We’re going to come back with something that’s going to be right and good.


Rep Tosh: Thank you, Representative Rye. And so your request to this today is just to move this bill to interim study. So it’s so noted and that’s where your bill will be moved to. We appreciate you appearing before this committee. Thank you for your comments. Committee members, next item on today’s agenda is HCR 1001. Representative Ray. Representative Ray, you are recognized to present your bill.


Rep Ray: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m glad Representative Rye was able to shed some light on that topic. Sorry. Okay. I’ll be very brief in presenting HCR 1001. This is a simple resolution that would urge the Congress of the United States to extend the provisions of the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017 that are set to expire at the end of 2025. And obviously, there’s hundreds of thousands of Arkansans that would be facing a tax increase if those tax cuts were allowed to expire. And especially paired with all of the inflation that families are having to deal with in the current economic climate, that would just be a double whammy on a lot of our families in this state on a lot of our constituents. And so that’s basically what the resolution is. If you’re a fan of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, you’re probably good with the resolution and the inverse of that would be true as well. So thank you for allowing me to present that and I’ll be happy to answer any questions.


Rep Tosh: Any questions from committee members? Representative Wardlaw, do you have a question? Okay. Any questions from committee members? Seeing none, has anyone signed up to speak for or against resolution? Seeing none, we have a motion of a do pass from Representative Wardlaw. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. Congratulations, resolution is passed, Representative Ray.


Rep Ray: Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members.


Rep Tosh: Next item on today’s agenda is what I mentioned at the start. Representative Collins has called and that bill will be moved to next week’s agenda, so next up is Representative Richardson, House Bill 1104. Representative Richardson, just have a seat there at the end of the table and you are recognized to present your bill.

HB 1104: Daylight Saving Time (Rep. S. Richardson’s version, failed)

Rep S Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So my bill is similar to the bill you’ve already heard Representative Rye pull down. A little different in substance, a little different in approach. Essentially, right now, just for background and to continue to push forward, we do have the bill that was passed through the Senate at the federal level providing for the option. That was a unanimous pass in the Senate. And that to me is kind of surprising. We rarely get a unanimous pass that happens at that level, but that one did. And the reason that it did was because there are a lot of good reasons and good studies that suggest that Daylight Savings Time provides a much better atmosphere for not only the economy because people are out longer in the afternoons and going and doing chores and heading out to shop and whatnot, but also for health. Health is a big piece of it, having time in the evenings, afternoons for individuals to get outside, go for walks, take your dogs out, play with their kids. It’s a great opportunity for that. So that passed unanimously. It was sent to the House and as often happens, it sort of got bogged down, so they’re going to have to do a little bit more work to get that bill out. But I do have some hope that it will get through. My bill is simply a trigger bill. As of right now, it will not change anything. And I think there’s been some confusion on that. We at the state level do not have the authority under state law to change, to permanently adopt Daylight Savings Time. We could go to Standard time, but we can not go to Daylight Savings Time. However, the majority by far of US citizens do not like Standard time as a permanent adoption. People who said they wanted to stop swapping, only about 15 to 20% would prefer Daylight Savings Time. The rest are overwhelmingly in favor– excuse me, like Standard time. The rest are overwhelmingly in favor of Daylight Savings Time. This bill would provide for the option for us– excuse me, the mandate for us as a state government to move immediately as soon as the federal government allows, whether that’s with the current bill sets that are working their way through or if it’s a future law that’s passed by the federal government to actually move ourselves over permanently to Daylight Savings Time as a state, providing for those great benefits for our citizens. So with that, I’m happy to take any questions.


Rep Tosh: Any questions from committee members? Representative Meeks, you’re recognized for question.


Rep Meeks: Thank you. Representative, so let me ask this question of you. If we were to adopt a permanent Daylight Savings Time, do you know what time the sunrise would be in northwest Arkansas in early January?


Rep S Richardson: I would give a guess somewhere around that 8:30 time frame since it’s 7:30 now.


Rep Meeks: You’re exactly right. So the sun wouldn’t rise in Northwest Arkansas until 8:30. So that means our kids would be going to school in the dark. And so you’d be okay with that?


Rep S Richardson: Well, we have that situation now Representative Meeks. I think that’s one of the big pieces of this. Right now, you have kids that get on the bus in the dark. And they get home when it’s dark pretty much. We have individuals that go to work in the dark and then have to come home in the dark. With moving to Daylight Savings Time, at least we would provide them the opportunity in the evenings to have a little bit of daylight. And that’s one of the drivers for, not only here at the state level, but the states around us. Three of the states around us have already adopted this type of trigger mechanism. That includes Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana. We’ve also seen legislation and attempts in Missouri and Oklahoma. Texas has yet to take that up. Those attempts failed for a variety of reasons, but I do expect that most states are going to move. As a matter of fact, I’ll pull up my numbers right quick. We’ve seen states all across, not only in the southern section of the US, but also in the northern portions of the US. A total of, let’s see, yeah, 19 states have already passed legislation that are trigger laws that would provide for an immediate move. And those do include a number of states that are much further north than us.


Rep Meeks: Thank you.


Rep Tosh: Representative Clowney, you are recognized for a question.


Rep Clowney: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Richardson, I’ve heard concerns form Texarkana for instance, right? You mentioned Texas has not yet taken this up and we’ve got one town that would be split into two time zones. What are your answers to people who have concerns from that part of the state?


Rep S Richardson: Thank you for the question, Representative. So yes, and we have situations across the US. We’re a little unique here that we sit in the middle of our current time zone, but that’s a normal function for a lot of states. I mean, you have Tennessee that actually has, I guess, two different time zones in there and they have the same kind of challenges. So yes, there may be some challenges, although Texarkana’s in Arkansas, so it would be on Arkansas time. If they had to travel over into Texas, it would be an hour’s difference for them to start work potentially, or they potentially could start work at an earlier hour. That would obviously be up to them and their employers. But this is not a unique function across the US. This is something that’s fairly normal in a variety of different time zones. And we already have a state, Arizona that’s selected standard time permanently. And so all of the states around them continue to adjust and swap back and forth while they stay permanently and it’s worked out fine for their citizens.


Rep Tosh: Representative Moore, you recognize for question.


Rep Moore: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Richardson, thanks for presenting this bill, and as you and I have spoken many times, you are  a big duck hunter as am I myself. My main concern for this bill would be in my district, District 61, East Arkansas. We have a lot of duck hunters that hunt midweek and make it into the office by 9:00 AM. But that’s with shooting time starting around 6:40, 6:45, and kind of that range. If you would push it back to around 7:42 or thereabouts, these guys aren’t going to be able to duck hunt in the middle of the week and still make it to the office by 9:00 AM and that would tick off a lot of my Riceland producers and all my guys that I’m buddies with. And then conversely in the evenings, the deer hunters can go and shooting time stops shortly after 5:00 or 5:20, between 5:00 and 5:30. And they can oftentimes make it to evening events or supper with the family by 6:30 or 7:00. But if this law were enacted and the trigger law would be triggered, they wouldn’t be able to make it to the evening plans until 8 o’clock. So those are my two biggest concerns and I just wanted to voice them for you.


Rep S Richardson: I appreciate that.


Rep Tosh: Just a minute. Representative Moore, and your question to that to Representative Richardson is? Do you have a question? I know you made a statement, but your question is how would that affect the time change?


Rep Moore: Yeah, how would that affect those individuals I’m talking about?


Rep Tosh: Thank you, Representative.


Rep S Richardson: Thank you, Representative Moore. So my statement to that is that some of my best duck hunts have been in the evenings and having that extra hour in the evening to hunt ducks would provide me some of that opportunity after work to get out when it’s still daylight and do those things. And I will tell you that having bow hunted during Daylight Savings Time early in the season when it’s still on. It gets dark late and you come in late. So yes, but I’ll also speak to farmers. And I know there’s different kinds of farmers in East Arkansas. You have row crop farmers that does sun up to sundown, full-time farmers. In Northwest Arkansas, we have a lot of part-time farmers. And most of our members know I spent a lot of time knocking doors as most of you have. And it’s overwhelming the number of farmers that tell me that they go to work in the mornings, they have to feed. They have to take care of their animals in the morning. It’s dark then. And they get home at night, it’s dark then too. Giving them a little extra time to handle some of the things like checking their cattle while it’s still daylight instead of under a spotlight might provide them some freedom to do some other things as well. So I think it would be helpful overall. Thank you.


Rep Tosh: Representative Carr, you’re recognized for a question.


Rep Carr: Thank you, Mr. Chair.  So one of the things I’m hearing today is that we have potential change on the horizon and potential non-change. You had mentioned earlier that there were some states that have already adopted trigger laws. So in the event that we were not to adopt your bill, then wouldn’t we still have to make changes in Arkansas?


Rep S Richardson: It depends on the legislation. Thank you, Representative Carter. It depends on the legislation that comes out of the federal government’s finagling of the wording. So the reality is, eventually, this is going to be approached again. And at that time, we’re going to need to address it. I think the climate is such at this point, and it continues to show in a variety of different polls that the overwhelming majority of Americans want to stop swapping back and forth. They either want to be on standard time or they want to be permanently on Daylight Savings Time. And so at some point, we’re going to have to address that as a state. This simply addresses it now, gets it out of the way and puts us in a position to take on what the majority of our citizens currently want anyway. Thank you.


Rep Carr: Follow up?


Rep Tosh: Recognized for a follow-up.


Rep Carr: Thank you. So basically, what would happen is if we didn’t have a trigger law, but they did, we would still have to adjust our times to accommodate the other states, right?


Rep S Richardson: It depends on the language that comes out of the federal government. But yes, that’s a potential.


Rep Tosh: Representative Carr, I think, brings up a good point. We’re running this as a trigger law without really knowing the provisions it’s going to be provided by the federal government. So if they pass something at the federal level, we really don’t know if this legislation is going to align with that, whether we could opt in or opt out. So are we kind of getting ahead of the game by going ahead and passing legislation before we know all the provisions that could come from the federal government if they make that change?


Rep S Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That’s a good question. I’ll approach it this way. I would not suggest that we’re getting ahead of the game. And if we are getting ahead of the game, we’re Arkansas, and it’s okay for us to be out there and lead. I’m all for us leading as a state. As far as what could come out, we’ve got two options. It’s Standard time or Daylight Savings Time. At some point, we’re either going to continue to stay in the swap mode, which I think there’s no one in this group that hasn’t heard at least someone say that they’re tired of swapping back and forth from a time perspective. And so we’re going to need to select from a state perspective, something that’s standard and something that’s agreeable for the majority of our citizens. At this stage, that’s obviously Daylight Savings Time.


Rep Tosh: Okay, thank you. Any further questions from committee members? Seeing none, we do have someone signed up to speak against the bill, Luke Story. Representative Richardson, if you’d just take a seat there to the side while Mr. Story takes his seat at the end of the table. Mr. Story, if you would just identify yourself for the committee members and who you represent, and I understand you’re speaking against the bill.


Story (Broadcasters): Good morning, everyone. My name is Luke Story. I’m president of the Arkansas Broadcasters Association. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and distinguished committee members, for allowing me some time to speak on the bill. I’ll keep it brief, but I really think our main sticking point is the border city provision that is painfully absent from this bill. I mean, I’m looking at my notes here, but there are a few that, I mean, West Memphis, El Dorado, Fayetteville, Texarkana. Those are all border cities that would be steeply impacted by this, particularly from a marketing and a business standpoint when it comes to media and broadcast. And I’ve spoke to the Representative about this, but we have an AM radio concern as well. There’s approximately 138 AM radio stations in the state of Arkansas and they are all required by the FCC to power down at sunset and power back up at sunrise. And so if this bill were to be passed as is, it would cost those 138 radio stations valuable drive time. Moving that drive time back an hour would cost them substantial revenue, and it would be potentially catastrophic as far as some of those stations to be able to remain operational. I think all of us here, I mean, I’m very affectionate towards sports. And so if you’re looking at it from a live sports perspective, those would be impacted. And in particular, the very lucrative television broadcast rights that a lot of our university sports depend on to help fund their programs, that could be potentially lost because of the programming adjustments that would have to be made. They have to move up those start times, and they have to adjust all of that. And that is applied to all sports programming, Olympics, and everything. Those are infrastructures that have been set in place for a very long time. And as we’ve all been made aware, I mean, none of this will take effect without congressional approval. Rubio’s bill did pass last session, but as far as all the insight I have, there’s been no re-introduction of any bill in this new session. I ask for your consideration of these concerns. Happy to share any of our insights and any literature that you might need to gain some further understanding and happy to take questions.


Rep Tosh: Representative Richmond has a question for you, Mr. Story. We recognize for your question.


Rep Richmond: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Concerning the potential loss of revenue if this time changes eventually, what happens now when we go back to Daylight Savings Time in the early part– I don’t know when we’re changing this time, March or something like that– in the early part of the time change, where the stations may very well still be in that federal requirement of powering down, do you lose revenue then or how is that affected or what impact does that have? Because early on, when you do Daylight Savings Time, it’s still dark.


Story (Broadcasters): Thank you Representative, for the question. If I understand correctly, those adjustments have been set in place since the 1960s when the amendments to the Uniform Time Act were passed. So that’s been set in place for a while, but it’s all based on sunrise, sunset. So when the sun rises, they are legally permitted to power up. Moving that sunrise back, I mean, the people are still expected to show up at work at the same time, but the sunrise would change. So that’s our concern. I mean, people would be commuting at the same time, but then the sunrise would change. The sun would rise an hour later. People would still be expected to report back and drive to their work at the same time.


Rep Richmond: Follow up, Mr. Chair.


Rep Tosh: You’re recognized.


Rep Richmond: When you say sunrise will change, I don’t think the sunrise change, but the time frame that we control changes. And again, the question is, you power down when it’s dark. When you do the change, Daylight Savings Time change early on in the spring, then it’s still dark. Does that have an adverse effect upon the revenue of the different AM stations and things that are out there at that particular point in time during that early time change?


Story (Broadcasters): Currently, no. And that’s because of the infrastructure that’s been set in place a few decades ago. But our concern is that that infrastructure would have to be adjusted because most of those stations are already well equipped to recuperate what might be lost.


Rep Richmond: One more follow-up, Mr. Chair.


Rep Tosh: You’re recognized.


Rep Richmond: What if the federal government goes ahead and pass legislation that it does change, you’re talking about infrastructure. Probably that the protocol that you currently follow, you’re going to have to go in and change that in order to accommodate that, correct? So if the federal government does change and it is adopted, then you’re going to have to go in and change the protocol about powering up, powering down, and all that other stuff to accommodate. So the question is, how hard is that going to be for you to do?


Story (Broadcasters): Thank you, representative. And to be quite honest, that is a part of the reason that Senator Rubio’s congressional bill did not pass initially is because of all the infrastructure adjustments that would have to be done. It became apparently clear that that was going to be very time-consuming. It would cross industries. A lot of industries would have to make similar adjustments, and it didn’t make sense. That’s one of the reasons that that bill didn’t move through the House.


Rep Richmond: Thanks, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair.


Rep Tosh: Thank you. Representative Beck, you’re recognized for questions.


Rep Beck: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So isn’t it true that the reason that AM stations turn off is so that other stations can go what they call, I think the term is clear channel. So they boost up and they start to cover multiple states under a frequency that might collide with the others. So my question is this, they have to stay on the same time frame. Is that not correct? These small stations in Arkansas would have to shut down to allow the clear stations to come to boost up their power. Is that not true?


Story (Broadcasters): Thank you, representative. That is a true statement because those AM signals are less impacted by atmospheric pressure at night. I mean, a small radio station that may cover a very limited radius of a small town would suddenly be able to travel and cover theoretically half the state. So the interference concerns is why that provision is in place federally.


Rep Tosh: Any further questions from committee members? Seeing none, no one else has  signed up speak for or against the bill. Thank you, Mr. Story.


Story (Broadcasters): I appreciate your time.


Rep Tosh: Appreciate your time. Representative Richardson.  Representative, you’re recognized close with your bill.


Rep S Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I do want to kind of talk through just a little bit for some clarity purposes around the AM stations. It’s my understanding in talking with Mr. Story– Story? Yeah, sorry, Mr. Story. Yeah– so talking with them in some detail last week that some stations do have to power down completely. Other stations simply turn back the amount of power associated with their reach. And not to get too technical– as most of you know, I do have a technical background. I’ve studied these things both from collegiate perspective and also since. The idea is that because of lack of atmospheric interference, the radio stations can travel significantly, specifically AM can travel significantly further. By reducing the power, the output, you actually can cover almost the same amount of territory and potentially even further because you have less interference. So I appreciate that. As far as the– as far as specifically addressing the lost revenue associated with drive time, I know that we have drive time in the evening as well as the morning. So that would be some opportunity to pick up that additional revenue and potentially offset those challenges right now, a lot of that drive time, if not most of that drive time would be after dark as well. And so it’s a one side or the other, I feel like from that perspective. Beyond that, from scheduling challenges associated with sporting events, I always like it when we get an Eastern Time zone sporting event that happens before I get off of work and have to deal with that challenge. So I think that’s something that’s fairly normal. But overall, I think this is a good bill. It’s a good step for Arkansas, especially for our citizens’ health and overall well-being from a mental state. So I would appreciate do pass from the committee.


Rep Tosh: Committee, Representative Richardson has closed with his bill. What’s the pleasure of the committee? Representative Carr.


Rep Carr: Motion do pass.


Rep Tosh: Have a motion of do pass. Any discussion on the motion? Representative Meeks, you’re recognized for discussion on the motion.


Rep Meeks: Thank you, colleagues. I’ll try not to make this too long. But I do want to address a couple of points that the representatives said and why I am vehemently opposed to this bill. First off, Senator Rubio did try to pass the Sunshine Protection Act back in 2022. It did pass overwhelmingly on a voice vote. However, not surprisingly, most senators were unaware of what they were voting on. And afterwards, many of them said that they were opposed to this. So that’s why when it got to the House– of course, the House is much more attuned to what’s going on– and it didn’t go anywhere. Another concern that I have is he is correct on most medical people say that we need to stop the back and forth. And the vast majority of Americans, I think, support that premise that we need to stop the back and forth. The dispute is always which one do we go to? The American Academy of Sleep Medicine holds the position that quote-unquote, “seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor of a national year-round standard time, and that standard time is the better option than Daylight Savings Time for our health, mood, and well-being.” And many other medical professions hold to that. Standard time is actually natural time. Whereas Daylight Savings Time is us tricking ourselves into doing things an hour earlier than we otherwise would. So Daylight Savings Time is actually a manipulation of what national time was. And some of you that are here that are my age or older may remember that back in the 1970s, we did go to a national year-round Daylight Savings Time. Prior to them going to the national year-round, 79% of Americans supported permanent Daylight Savings Time. But after only one year, that support dropped in half. And they went back to our current situation of back and forth. So they tried it back in the 70s, and it didn’t work. And that’s how we ended up going back and forth. The last point I’ll make is this, and I think Mr. Tosh already spoke on this, is I don’t think Congress is ever going to allow Daylight Savings Time because especially in the more northern states, it puts the sun rises later and later and later. And it could be 10, 20, 30 years before this is allowed. And I’m of the mind that if Congress at some point in the future does allow it, that General Assembly at that time needs to be the one that takes up the issue, not us here 20, 30 years looking back. And so with that, I’m going to be opposed to this bill and would ask that you would join me in your opposition.


Rep Tosh: Any further comments on the– any further comments on the motion of do pass? We have a comment on the motion of– you made the motion of a do pass Representative Carr.


Rep Carr: Yes, sir.


Rep Tosh: You have a motion– you have a comment on your own motion?


Rep Carr: I do. Just a quick thing. One of the things I just want to clarify with we have several states right now that have made– they have made the trigger law and Arkansas doesn’t. So if we get in the situation where some of the states around us have Daylight Savings Time and we don’t, you may have the situation still where the border cities and such have to make the adjustment on the account of the other states.


Rep Tosh: Any further discussion on the motion of a do pass? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. All opposed say no. Your bill has failed. But thank you Representative Richardson for appearing before this committee.


Rep S Richardson: Thank you.


Rep Tosh: Appreciate your time.


Rep S Richardson: Thank you.


Rep Tosh: Committee members, as a reminder, photo next Wednesday at 10 A.M. And having no further business, this meeting is adjourned.